Playstation 3 -- Hilarious E3 embarassments

[SWVA-Football]

YouTube - Sony's Embarrassing E3 2006 Press Conference

RIIIIIDGE RACER!
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"Dynamic weapon changing!"
"Giant crabs"
"Duhr.. you must hit it in its weak spot for maximum damage!"

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Get your PS3 today, folks! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer1.gif[/img]

[MikMo]

They'll get all the kinks out, and it will still roll the Wii....outselling it probably 3 to 1.

[imported_Counts]

So you don't think that Sony is priceing themself out of the main stream with the $600 price tag? At that price I would think most people would opt for a low end PC

[oakland_raiders]

hell i know i will be getting one the first day along with many other people

[imported_Counts]

Oh I have no doubt that alot will buy it BUT I question what the avg Joe (or more acutely his parents) will do when faced with a $600 PS3 2 games at $60 a pop and an extra controller for around $25 pushing the price up to close to $750....Now I have blown a fair amount of Money on useless junk in the past but when the price reaches a House payment or rideing lawnmower I think there are too many people out there that will rethink spending that cash for it to be as main stream as the PS2.

I remember when DVD players first started coming out the people that owned them were few and far between when they were $300 a pop but when there price got below $150 they really started to take off and when they got below $50 almost everyone I know has at least one and usually one for each TV.

What I am saying is that IMHO the price will drive alot of people away. (especially if there is a similar cheaper alternative)

That is the big thing. Becoming responsible and having to make it all work.
Don't see letting bills go to afford a toy. But you wouldn't believe, what some parents will do, to not have to be bothered.
I read a study the other day. It was called killing our health care system
It was about the obesity rate among children and pre-teens. The next generation of health care problems.
Seems parents are helping to kill our health care system and doing it with their own children.
According to the study, the average 13 yr old. Spends about 5 hrs a day. School day, playing on their home games or the computer. 1 hr per week in any kind of physical activity.
Figure it out folks. And most parents condone it. Until a problem arises.
When you have 13 yr olds 50 - 75 lbs over weight. Something is wrong.
As far as this game it may be super. But not at $600 or not to me that is an enourmous price for any game. But you will not believe how many will buy it. Just to not have to be bothered with their own children. Amazing.

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I'll be getting one...probably not the first day due to the hundreds of ppl that are going to be at Wal-Mart waiting in line.

[SWVA-Football]

I'm not saying it's a horrible system or that it won't outsell the XBOX 360 and Wii (which it probably will -- there are alot of idiots that buy before they know anything about a system), I'm just showing how much of a joke the Playstation 3 is, and that it introduces nothing new at all.

Also, check out how "awesome" the Playstation 3's new hardware is:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32171

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In words and pictures

By Charlie Demerjian in Taipei: Monday 05 June 2006, 03:35

AFTER BREAKING THE news to me about PS3 RSX speeds earlier on the flight to Japan, my row-mate said 'if you think that's interesting, wait till you see this. Cell is hurting, badly'.

For those of you that believe in religions with karmic tendencies, scoops like this meant one of two things, the wings of the plane are about to fall off and I am going to die in a fiery ball, or worse yet, the movie selection will be worrisome. Cell memory access appears to be broken, RSX has half the triangle setup rate of the ATI chip in XBox360, and the true horror, Big Momma's House 2 and a Queen Latifa movie.

With the movie selection still making my brain throb from the glances I caught, I furiously took notes on what the source was saying. He started out saying that the RSX can only write about half as much vertex data as it can fetch, not an ideal situation by any stretch, but survivable.

Then came the horrible news, RSX appears to be limited to setting up 275 Million triangles/second, anemic compared to the 500+ million in XBox360. When asked about this apparent thumping dished out by MS, the reply from one notable ISV relations boffin was a terse 'What a Piece of Junk'. Talk about a steak in the heart.

Half the triangle setup capability in the PS3, could things get worse? Yes, far far worse, how about another disparity of three orders of magnitude? No, I am not joking, looking at Sony's own figures, Cell appears to be pretty badly broken.



For main memory, it looks like Cell has about 25GBps of main memory bandwidth, and RSX is about 15-20GBps. Achievable bandwidth is between about two thirds of that and nearly 100%, clearly the elves in the caves surrounding Rambus central did something right with XDR. That is the happy news.

For local memory, the measured vs theoretical bandwidth is missing, I wonder why? RSX is at a solid 22.4GBps for both read and write, good job there green team. Then comes the blue team with Cell. Local memory write is about 4GBps, 40% of the next slowest bandwidth there. Then comes the bomb from hell, the Cell local memory read bandwidth is a stunning 16MBps, note that is a capital M to connote Mega vs a capital G to connote Giga. This is a three order of magnitude oopsie, and it is an oopsie, as Sony put it "(no, this isn't a typo...)".

If you can write at 250x the read speed, it makes Cell local memory just about useless. That means you do all your work out of main memory, and the whole point of local is, well, pointless. This can lead to contention issues for the main memory bus, and all sorts of nightmarish to debug performance problems. Basically, if this Sony presentation to PS3 devs shown to us is correct, it looks like PS3 will be hobbled in a serious way.

The next slide goes on to say "Don't read from local memory, but write to main memory with RSX(tm) and read it from there instead", and repeats the table numbers. This is very very bad. The number of times the presentation goes on to say that it is correct, and the lack of anything like "this will be fixed by production steppings, so take measures X, Y and Z" say to me that it is not a fixable snafu. Remember at E3 when I said that the PS3 demos there were object sparse? Any guesses why?

Someone screwed up so badly it looks like it will relegate the console to second place behind the 360. All the devs I talked to were lukewarm on the 360 architecture but universally negative on the PS3. Revelations like this go a long way to explain why you keep hearing about simmering problems from the Sony devs.

You end up with a console with half the triangle setup rate of the 360, a crippled CPU that is a ***** to program, and tools that are atrocious compared to the 360. To make matters worse, you have an arrogant set of execs telling us that twice the price is worth it for half the power, a year late. If it isn't already too late, Sony had better do something about this recto-cranial inversion or it may very well sink the console. µ

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